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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:45 pm 
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Jose85 wrote:
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collected messy bits...
Fiat 2800?
Source:eBay.de


Yes, it's a 2800 requisitioned by the Wermacht assigned to a German officer, a 1939 cabriolet by Balbo i think.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:47 pm 
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Jose85 wrote:
Fiat 1500?
Source:eBay.de


Yes, a 6C1500 cabriolet by Pinin Farina, probably a 1938 model.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:51 pm 
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Jose85 wrote:
one of the Pininfarina Lancia Aprilias?
Source:eBay.de


Yes, it's an Aprilia cabriolet. The same model introduced by the St.Farina at the 1937 Milan motor show.


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2021 2:05 pm 
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FrankWo wrote:
Hi, Tommy,
for the more pear-shaped radiator it could be a
Bugatti-Rabag 13-6.20HP/1922>25.
With greetings, Frank ;) .

No, it's a real Molsheim Bugatti, only a single text line in the logo.
Looks like wheelbase 2400 mm = T22


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 8:00 am 
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Hi, Michael,

thank You for Your helping answer, and welcome to this forum,

with greetings, Frank ;) .


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 6:31 am 
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It was advertised for a short time in winter 1919/20: "Corona, the first french 12-cylinder".
Was it ever built?


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 9:06 am 
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Hello to You,

for the first 12-Zyl(-7,2l)-engine in 1920 we should have more as only a small adv. I think, this advertisment was only to search for interests and maybe money to build, what they have in planing-papers. The address could be a rented office-room.
Btw., the GER-Corona-cars/1904>09 are having 1-/2-Zyl.-engines, the GB-C.-ones/1920>23 are 2- & 4-Zyl-light-cars.

With Sunday-greetings to You, Frank ;) .


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 9:39 am 
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Thank you, FrankWo!
There is nothing more to find in the period french press, than this advertising.
I don't think, that they constructed a new 12-cylinder engine in 1919, at this time you could buy less expensive 12-cylinder engines in the USA from Weidley.
Of course the Champs Elysée address was only a office room and I think too, that they tried at first the feedback for such a car. But nevertheless it is possible, that they has built a demonstration car with purchased chassis, engine, body.
In the years from 1915 to the early 1920s many workshops in France created new car marques, made from purchased parts, and sold a handful until the money ran out.
Did you ever heard about the "Prométhée" car from 1915? I don't know how many were built, but 2-3 examples were offered as used cars in 1919/20. And there were more such obscure marques, which definitely has built a few cars.

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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:03 am 
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Hi, Alex,

I have nothing found for 'Prométhée' with my books, sorry, not any note ...,

... with greetings, Frank :sorry: .


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:23 am 
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That's what I said, Frank. In these years there were dozens of car marques in France, which are totally forgotten today. Probably they has built only a handful cars, but you can find them, when they were offered for sale as used cars a few years later. Stephanini 1915, Kevah 1920 and so on. It was not a problem to built a complete car with purchased parts, when you had a mechanical workshop and a bit money. Chassis, axles and other parts from MaB, engines from Aster or De Dion (and others), electrical compenents from Magondeaux, the body from one of the many coachbuilder which were able and willing to build it. Many tried it, but with less success.


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:31 pm 
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Carrossier wrote:
It was advertised for a short time in winter 1919/20: "Corona, the first french 12-cylinder".
Was it ever built?

G.N.Georgano and David Burgess Wise both mention Corona in their encyclopedias, but Georgano calls it a phantom make and Wise states that probably none were sold. The engine was specified as a straight-12, pushrod ohv engine (Wise) resp. V-12 with overhead valves operated by twin camshafts in the crankcase (Georgano) of 7238 cc.


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 1:29 pm 
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Thank you very much, Wendax!


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 8:48 am 
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Adrian_pt wrote:
Pre-war cabriolet used by the Romanian film studios in the 1960s - the nocturnal photo is apparently on the set of a 1965 film called "Procesul Alb", though no such car appears. What seems to be the same car was also used in he 1965 film "Steaua Fara Nume"; further screengrabs can be found at http://volganeagra.blogspot.com/2013/07 ... stery.html . It should be straightforward but isn't - the closest I can get is that the body is v similar to some of Letourneur et Marchand's work. Any clues?


More detailed pictures have emerged of this car - which sadly haven't made the identification any easier! To my mind the body still looks like an L&M but the grille isn't a precise match with any of the usual suspects. Steering wheel is off a 1946-8 Lincoln Continental and the dashboard/radio combo also looks newer than the car. So am putting this in the hands of the experts once again :)


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2021 9:23 am 
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Hi, Adrian,

for me it looks like a mid-50s (film-)kit-car in the style of the end-30s:

01. mascot - 1954-Chevrolet
https://www.google.com/search?q=chevrol ... irefox-b-d
02. radiator - similar to Lancia or Delage
03. lhd-dashbord - You know it better as me
04. Carosserie in L&M-style and similar to Delage for example
4.a D8-120 Spider 1939
https://www.google.com/search?q=delage+ ... 80&bih=880
4.b D8-120 Aerosport/1937
https://www.google.com/search?q=delage+ ... irefox-b-d
4.c D8-120 Deltasport/1939
https://www.google.com/search?q=delage+ ... irefox-b-d
05. We can be shure, it is not a real Delage, not only for the lhd.
06. For the back I cannot get help. All car-photos in my L&M- and Delage-books are mostly front-made.

With nearly weekend-greetings, Frank ;) .


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2021 11:11 am 
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The car is most probably a Salmson. And it's not Letourneur & Marchand. Except of the rear end, the body looks like factory made or Chapron.

Here a factory made Salmson S4-61 of 1950.


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2021 11:15 am 
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Thank you, Frank. Fascinating. Certainly whoever did it did a good job!


FrankWo wrote:
Hi, Adrian,

for me it looks like a mid-50s (film-)kit-car in the style of the end-30s:

01. mascot - 1954-Chevrolet
https://www.google.com/search?q=chevrol ... irefox-b-d
02. radiator - similar to Lancia or Delage
03. lhd-dashbord - You know it better as me
04. Carosserie in L&M-style and similar to Delage for example
4.a D8-120 Spider 1939
https://www.google.com/search?q=delage+ ... 80&bih=880
4.b D8-120 Aerosport/1937
https://www.google.com/search?q=delage+ ... irefox-b-d
4.c D8-120 Deltasport/1939
https://www.google.com/search?q=delage+ ... irefox-b-d
05. We can be shure, it is not a real Delage, not only for the lhd.
06. For the back I cannot get help. All car-photos in my L&M- and Delage-books are mostly front-made.

With nearly weekend-greetings, Frank ;) .


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 Post subject: Re: Post any mystery car here
PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2021 8:23 am 
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Hi, Adrian, Alex & everyone,

Alex is of course right: The radiator is more like Salmson's model than Lancia.
I couldn't find anything with my books at Salmson for the cooling air hoses laid around the outside.
Because of the many bodywork areas with sole or single representation entitlement, I decided to leave it at the assumption of 'film kit'.
With regards to the Pentecost weekend, Frank ;) .


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:49 pm 
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Despite the German post-war license plate this convertible looks like an Italian coachbuilt car to me, perhaps on a Fiat 1500 chassis. Who can identify this one?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:16 am 
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The coachwork is by Joseph Bishop from Melbourne.
Is it a Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:30 am 
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Carrossier wrote:
The coachwork is by Joseph Bishop from Melbourne.
Is it a Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost?

Absolutely


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