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 Post subject: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:41 am 
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Dietzsch Horch V12 Typ 670


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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:53 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:29 pm 
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Pictures 1 and 2 belong to the same car, but there is other car on the 2nd photo: there is different number of door hinges.
I have always believed that a body for Horch 670 and 780 did Gläser only (sometimes in cooperation with other companies, for example Buhne).
It would be interesting to know the source of these pictures.

And I don't understand the situation with the hinges on the Horch 670 and 780.
There were variants with 2 and 3 door hinges. It was built not so many of these luxury cars...

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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:50 pm 
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Yes, you're right ! I've not realized the different door hinges.
The sources are Kirchberg, Oswald and Schrader. According to Kirchberg and Schrader, the first two pics shows the Dietzsch-Horch. According to Oswald, Dietzsch built more than one Cabriolet on V12 and 8-Cylinder chassis, which were slightly different. But I don't think, that Dietzsch used two AND three door hinges. But who knows ? Maybe the Horch works built also a few V12 Cabriolets.
Gläser was responsible for the 4-door Cabriolet and Dietzsch for the 2-door body, according to Gerhard Mirsching.
The truth is, that more than one V12 Cabriolets were built.


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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:50 pm 
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Dear Tommy, many thanks, but I have some difficulties.
I found mention of Dietzsch in the book Oswald "Alle Horch automobile", p.61. But it doesn't say that Horch from the 3rd photo was made by this company, as it seems to me. But, of course, my German is very bad. Am I wrong?
I also looked at the books of Kirchberg "Horch. Prestige Perfektion und", "Horch-Audi- DKW- IFA","Bildatlas" and "Horch: Typen, Technik, Modelle". But I have not found these photos. I missed something again... May I ask you to define the books and pages for all these photo?
Gerhard Mirsching - you mean his book "Gläser - Cabriolets"? But in according with P.Kirchberg "Horch: Typen, Technik, Modelle", p.354-355, Sportcabriolet (2 doors) Horch 670 and Horch 780, 780B were produced by Horchwerke.
There is very nice description of cooperation between Horchwerke and other companies in coachbuilding in P.Kirchberg "Horch-Audi- DKW- IFA", but ....mein Deutsch, mein Deutsch...

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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:35 pm 
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The second pic is from Halwart Schrader - Deutsche Automobil-Karosserien, as an example for the work of Dietzsch.
The first pic, which shows probably the same car is from a period newspaper, I think "Allgemeine Automobil-Zeitung".
The third pic we can find in Oswald - Horch page 61, together with two more pics of a V12 Cabriolet (page 60/61).
Oswald wrote: The Cabriolet bodies were designed by Hermann Arens, chief of the Horch body development division, and built by Dietzsch.
Kirchberg, who shows the rear view pic on page 266, writes that the V12 Sportcabriolet was built by Horchwerke, maybe because these bodies were designed by them.
So it is not clear, if more than one body came from Dietzsch.

Here now the two other V12-Cabriolets, which were shown by Oswald, with two and three door hinges.


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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:45 pm 
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Dear Tommy,

1. To my regret, I didn't find any pictures or words about Dietzsch in book: C.Benter, H.Schrader - Deutsche Automobil-Karosserien, if we speak about this:
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Can you define the page?

2. Regarding participation of Dietzsch in karosserie working - in true, it's not clear to me, what cars he maid. But - the history of Horch very complicated, and the historical department of the Audi does not want to help.

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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:58 pm 
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The Schrader book you have, is the second edition with german and english text, it includes only a part of the coachbuilder from the first edition.
Yes, you're right, the history of Horch coachbuilding is not really clear, especially which bodies they have built in Horchwerke and which they let built by many other coachbuilder in and around Zwickau and Saxony. The problem was, that the building of bodies for DKW, Wanderer and Audi in large numbers in Horchwerke, let not enough capacities for building Horch bodies.

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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:12 pm 
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TommyK wrote:
The Schrader book you have, is the second edition with german and english text, it includes only a part of the coachbuilder from the first edition.
Many thanks! I never met 1st edition of this book, only this book from Schrader:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/B004JJO6XK/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
This is not book you mean above?

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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:30 pm 
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Yes, this is the book ! There you can find Dietzsch !


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 Post subject: Re: Dietzsch Horch
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:07 pm 
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TommyK wrote:
Yes, this is the book ! There you can find Dietzsch !
Tommy, many thanks!

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